Coastal Financial Corporation Q2 2026 Earnings Call

Welcome to. Coastal Financial Corporation. S Second quarter 2020 Earnings Conference call. At this time, all participants have been placed in listen only mode Following the prepared remarks portion of this morning's call, the management team will take questions. Before we begin, I would like to point all of you to the disclosure near the end of the company's earnings release. For information about any forward looking statements that may be made or discussed on this call, the earnings release is posted on Coastals website Please review the information along with our filings with the SEC. For disclosure of factors that may impact the subjects discussed in this morning's call The company will also be discussing one or more non-GAAP financial measures. Please look at the company's investor presentation and website for all of the disclosures required by the SEC, including reconciliations to the most comparable GAAP numbers. I would now like to turn the call over to Eric Spring, Chief Executive Officer. Please go ahead.

Thank you, and good morning, everyone. I'm joined today by Chris Adams, our newly appointed executive chairman. And Brandon Soto, our CFO This is our first quarterly earnings call. As a company, as our company has grown, we believe it is important to provide investors and the broader community with more direct access to management and greater context around our financial performance. Go forward strategy and key developments across both CCB and coastal Community Bank. We also recognize that this quarter. Includes significant and unusual items that warrant a direct explanation We're here to walk through those detail. The nuances and answer your questions. I'm pleased to announce that effective today, the board has appointed Chris Adams as the executive chair of Coastal Financial Corporation. Chris has. Served on the board since 2016 and as chair since 2019. As Executive Chair, he will devote additional time to long term strategy, external engagement, leadership development, as well as a focus on operating leverage and profitability. This does not change management accountability. I will continue to serve as CEO and remain responsible for the company's day to day operations, financial performance, risk management and execution. Today, rather than start with our operating results, it's important that I highlight the items that occurred during the quarter I'll be very direct and transparent about what it is, what it means, and how we have actively addressed it.

This morning we reported a GAAP net loss of 42.1 million, or a loss of $2.76 per diluted share for the second quarter. That. Result was driven almost entirely by 68.8 million in pre-tax accounting adjustments associated with a defined CCB portfolio company and its consumer loan portfolio. The 68.8 million consists of a $46 million valuation adjustment to the related credit enhancement asset and a separate 22.8 million provision for credit losses related to the partners indemnification agreement. We also recorded a 4.4 million of capitalized software amortization due to shortened, useful lives associated with technology modernization. On the partner related item. We regularly assess our relationships on the balance sheet, portfolio, performance collection, information recovery expectations, and counterparty financial information. As part of this evaluation. We changed our assessment in the second quarter as it relates to a specific nonpublic company partner. And its consumer loan portfolio. In accordance with our prudent framework, we appropriately recognized the exposure and took decisive action. Our. Focus is on being transparent with you about what directly matters to coastal. The exposure. The impact on our financial results, and the action we have and will continue to take. We are working with the relevant parties to exercise our contractual rights under the agreement, most.

Importantly, this is not a read through to the broader portfolio of partners Our view of the base model or our underwriting disciplined. Let me be precise about how investors should reconcile the indemnification protection with the. $68.8 million charge. The partner remains responsible for losses covered by the indemnification and recording a valuation adjustment does not change or waive those rights. It reflects our current assessment and provisioning based on. The facts available at quarter end. What changed is our assessment, which. Prompted us to recognize the economic losses today. Even as we continue to pursue the amounts we are entitled to recover. We believe we. Have taken the necessary steps to identify the potential exposure to isolate it and. Recognize our estimate of the potential loss as of quarter end. We'll continue to provide updates on this specific portfolio as we move forward. As. Part of this work, we also engaged independent third party advisors to conduct. To conduct an external assessment of the partner's loan level data that. Did not identify any evidence of impropriety on part of the. Of the partner and the customers. Three important points. First, the. Affected population is identified and separately monitored It consists of the defined portfolio of approximately 500 million in underlying loans and the related reimbursement exposure.

Second, we reflected our current estimate of the impact in our June 30th financial results. The ultimate outcome could differ from the amount we recognized today. Favorably. If recoveries and collections come in ahead of our current expectations or of course, unfavorably based on the quarterly Cecil review and indemnification asset valuation. Third. We conducted a review of the remaining CCB portfolio. That. Review included credit performance, delinquencies and charge off trends. Partner liquidity, cash collateral funding, reimbursement obligations, and individual and aggregate exposure, amongst other things. Based on. On that review, we did not identify a comparable issue within the remaining CCB portfolio. The data supports this conclusion as the remaining core CCB portfolio was approximately $1.7 billion at quarter end, with improvements in net charge offs as well as early and late stage delinquency measures, and also every partner we reviewed was current on its contractual cash collateral funding obligations. This data underscores the defined portfolio matter is not present in the credit and collateral funding trends of the remaining portfolio. We are. Managing the defined portfolio through servicing collections. Recovery, contractual remediations, and an evaluation of all strategic alternatives. Zooming out. For a second, the reason we built this framework is so that it would do its job precisely during an event like this This is consistent operating philosophy that informs us how we run this company to identify issues.

Assess them based on the facts in front of us, and take appropriate, decisive action That's what we've done here, and we'll continue to do moving forward Importantly, we entered this period and remain well capitalized with substantial cash, meaningful, contingent liquidity and no short term borrowings. Outstanding. Let. Me move forward and talk about the strengths of the underlying business for a second. Apart from the defined portfolio adjustments and the accelerated software amortization charge, several positive developments and metrics underscore the strength and momentum of the underlying business. During the quarter. Across the. Community Bank and CCB. The. Results showed this hybrid model. We've deliberately built over the years. A. Well capitalized, disciplined community bank paired with a growing capital efficient banking. As a service platform that allows us to monetize partner relationships through growing fee income on and off the balance sheet. Supporting a digital banking ecosystem of our scale takes compliance, risk, and operating infrastructure that has been built carefully over years. When we set out to develop our banking as a service platform, we did so with a clear vision about what it would require and to establish an infrastructure like the one we run on today.

Our investments and institutional knowledge with learnings over history in this space have put coastal at the table with some of the best run programs in the country. In the quarter, some individual highlights. Net interest income reached a record 89.4 million, up 16.4% year over year on a net interest margin of 7.27, which is stable and slightly improving. We grew loans 9% during the quarter. Our CCB. Segment continued to build momentum with Bass program fee income of 12 million, up approximately ten quarter from first quarter 10% growth from first quarter. Our off balance sheet credit card program now includes approximately 881,000 fee earning accounts, an increase of 32% from first quarter. Debit cards were up 1.5 million over the quarter. Deposit sweep activity continued to expand, creating fee income growth while supporting liquidity and FDIC insurance coverage to the benefit of our consumers Brandon will give you some updates on the amounts we have swept during the quarter and the increases These are exactly the kinds of fee generating non balance sheet activities central to our strategy. Growing revenue with balance sheet light growing with less risk weighted assets going forward. Chris. Will discuss board oversight. And I've asked him to expand on his new role as executive chair, including our go forward focus on capital allocation, operating expenses, and profitability.

Brandon will then provide a more detailed review of the quarter Chris, I hand it over to you.

Thank you. Nick. And good morning. I appreciate the board's confidence in appointing the executive chair. As Eric noted, my increased role will focus on long term strategy. External engagement, leadership development, operating leverage and profitability. Eric. Is CEO, and I look forward to working alongside him and the rest of the team as the independent directors of the board continue to provide strong and independent oversight. The board. Has been engaged throughout management's assessment of the defined portfolio. The management team meticulously reviews the portfolios on an ongoing basis, and they bring it to the board for it to review the analysis, challenging the assumptions and consider the accounting and capital implementation. Implement implications. That's precisely what happened in this matter. We supported management's decision to recognize the quarter end estimate in the period in which the assessment changed, taking a decisive action now and being transparent with our shareholders is the behavior that our management team and this board expects I would make three points to shareholders. First, the board's review was not limited to whether June 30th accounting estimates for just the defined portfolio was supportable. We also asked whether the exposure was separately identified and monitored, and whether the remainder of the.

Portfolio has been reviewed using the same standards. The board has required enhanced reporting regarding portfolio performance, collections, collateral. Romanian exposure and capital impact, counterparty conditions, and progress on strategic alternatives. We are not treating the June 30th accounting action as the end of the work. Second coastal remains well capitalized and highly liquid. As of June 30th, the company is common equity tier one ratio was 10.86%. The tier one leverage ratio was 9.11%, and its total risk based capital ratio was 13.30%. The quarter's adjustments reduced capital ratios by approximately one percentage point. The company retained approximately 1.01 billion of cash and more than 1.1 billion of additional contingent borrowing capacity, with no short term borrowing outstanding. The company's capital efficient model, including ongoing loan sales and off balance sheet deposit and card programs, continues to support liquidity and internal capital generation Third, by focus, is increasingly growing on profitability and operating leverage. Coastal has made substantial investments in people technology, compliance, data risk management, and ongoing infrastructure. Many of those investments were necessary to support the company's growth and build a durable, regulated platform. The next phase, though, must translate that investment and revenue growth into stronger and more consistent profitability.

Management has begun to review of vendor spending contractor usage, discretionary expenses, organizational duplication, technology priorities and partner and product level profitability. The objective is not to just cut costs. We'll continue to invest in compliance, credit audit, cybersecurity data and risk management. The objective is to reduce lower value and duplication in spending and direct our people and capital, and technology towards activities that produce appropriate risk adjusted returns. As we continue to grow, we'll place greater emphasis on the revenue, capital usage, liquidity, operating expenses, and risk adjusted profitability for each product and relationship. The board continues to have confidence in the long term value of Coastals model. Our responsibility is to translate that company, translate the company's underlying earnings power into strong operating leverage, lower volatility and improving shareholder returns. With that, I'm going to turn it over to Brandon to talk through his part of the presentation. Brandon.

Thank you Chris. I'm going to provide a narrow overview of the quarter. As Eric discussed, coastal reported a GAAP net loss of 42.1 million for the second quarter. The quarter included the 22.8 million specific provision and the 46.0 million valuation adjustment associated with the defined portfolio. The underlying quarter, included several positive financial trends, net interest income increased by 6.0 million, or 7.2%, from the first quarter to a record 89.4 million. Net interest margin increased to 7.27%. At interest margin after base loan expense increased to 3.98% from 3.90% in the first quarter. Total loans increased 348.9 million, or 9%, to approximately 4.21 billion. Last program income increased 1.1 million, or 10.3%, from the first quarter. We sold approximately 4.56 billion of CCB loans during the quarter, including ongoing balances generated on previously sold credit card accounts. These cells help manage capital, liquidity and credit concentrations while allowing coastal to retain certain processing and transaction economics. Total deposits ended the quarter. Approximately 4.86 billion. The decrease from the first quarter primarily reflected increased use of off balance sheet sweep arrangements and did not reflect a comparable decrease in underlying partner deposit activity. We swept approximately 4.26 billion of deposits off balance sheet at quarter end, and generated approximately 1.2 million of sweep income during the quarter, community bank credit quality remained strong.

Annualized community Bank net charge offs as a percentage of average loans were approximately 0.01%. Reported non-interest expense was 14.1 million, which included a 46.0 million valuation adjustment and the 4.4 million software charge. Beyond those identified items, we remain focused on managing the expense base more effectively. That includes technology, spending, vendor and contractor costs, organizational efficiency, and ensuring that expenses are tied to revenue. Measurable efficiencies or appropriate risk adjusted returns. It is also important to understand how the reserve affects future reporting. The 22.8 million provision increased the allowance available to absorb the future related credit losses. The 46.0 million valuation adjustment reduced the carrying value of the related credit enhancement asset Finally, the company and the bank remained well capitalized after the quarter's adjustments and our liquidity position remained strong. I'll turn it. Over to Eric for the conclusion.

Thank you both Chris and Brandon. Before I close, I do want to recognize Brandon, who, as we announced last week, will be departing to take on the CEO role of another financial institution. That is not a competitor or current partner of ours. Brandon has brought invaluable insights since joining us last September. He deserves this opportunity, and I and our company are very excited for him at. Coastal, our long term, long time CFO, Joel Edwards, who has been serving as an advisor since his retirement last year, will return as interim CFO. While we conduct a search for our next permanent CFO. Joel brings deep familiarity and continuity to our team. I'll close. This with where I began. We took it a significant accounting impact in the quarter, and we are not minimizing it. The current estimate of the defined portfolio has been reflected in the June 30th financial results, and we are actively managing the relationship. As we mentioned, we and the board separately reviewed the remaining KB portfolio and did not identify a comparable issue as of quarter end. Underneath this defined portfolio, matter is a strong and well capitalized core business, excluding the. Credit expense in software charge, we delivered record net interest income, stable to increasing net interest margin.

Continued loan growth. Increased base program fee income. Significant growth in off balance sheet fee income generating activity. Stable deposit costs and strong community bank credit performance. We're focused on continuing to strengthen partner monitoring and partner and portfolio oversight. Improving the economics of balance sheet usage. Growing capital, efficient fee income, and taking a more direct approach to operating expenses and operating leverage. At this time, we're also making the announcement that we are no longer actively pursuing the acquisition of assets and deposits from evolve Bank and Trust. Chris is appointment as executive chair. Adds additional time and resources and attention to strategy, profitability and leadership. We remain all about a balanced approach to discipline and sustainable growth. We will. Continue thoughtfully expanding our products and investing in the risk management and technology capabilities that make this platform doable. Our. Operating momentum, capital and liquidity position. Increased focus on profitability leaves us confident in our ability to execute and create long term value for shareholders. With that said, we'll end the prepared remarks and open it for question and answers from the analyst. Please proceed.

Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. If you have dialed in and would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad to raise your hand and join the queue. If you would like to withdraw your question, simply press star one again. If you are called upon to ask your question in our listening via speakerphone in your device, please pick up your handset to ensure that your phone is not on mute. When asking your question again, press star one to join the queue. And our first question comes from the line of Andrew Terrell with Stephens, Inc.. Your line is open.

Hey, good morning.

Good morning Andrew.

Maybe a morning. Maybe I can start just on the core expenses. If I if I back out the valuation adjustment and the amortization as well as. You know, the typical kind of base. Loan. It looks like you're at around 46 million or so of core operating expense this quarter, up double digits sequentially, 22% year on year. I think the sense was this year you'd be able to maybe rightsize expenses a bit, or at least keep growth in check, which doesn't seem to be the case this quarter. I'm curious, you know, when you look out to the back half of the year, what are you doing to, you know, keep expense growth contained from here? Is there, potential to moderate right. The expense base at all just to improve profitability?, yeah, we can just start there.

Yeah. So I think you can tell from our prepared remarks, we did highlight 4 or 5 times that expense growth. And. Making sure that we're focused on profitability is going to be a top priority of this bank going forward. And ,, you know, I'll ask Chris to intercede here a little bit. I know that's one of the directives the board has asked him to do.

Yeah. Great question. And you're exactly right, Eric. And so to be clear, and I obviously talked about in the remarks, but operating leverage, profitability, huge focus of the board. That's what I'm going to come in and work on ., we have we got great people. We spent a lot of money on technology building out the platform that we have. We are certainly going to focus on getting the efficiency out of what we put into the company. Right now, we've got a really good, talented group of people, and we're going to be able to get a lot more out of it as we make the next steps in our growth plan.

Okay. And then maybe just on the topic, Chris.. Can you talk about just either efficiency or profitability expectations that you're, you know, kind of working towards currently?

Yeah. And Andrew, I'll intervene here real quick. Just nothing has changed in our approach to communications with outside parties. We don't give pro formas. We don't give estimates., and we're unable to give guidance., so at. This time, I think what we'd like to reinforce is our comments in the opening piece and Chris's comments that this is going to be one of the top priorities of the bank going forward.

Okay. Fair enough.

Yeah.

If I could move over just to the, you know, some of the actions this quarter.. I guess just, you know, I heard all the prepared remarks. I'm hoping to get some more comfort on why this is, you know, a one off situation. You know, I understand, you know, you've conducted what sounds like a pretty thorough review of, all the other partners, but I'm assuming you pretty actively monitored this partner as well. What's what's unique about this situation ?. What's different about the collateral underlying the $500 million loan pool here?, I guess just what's, what's what's different at this partner or this loan pool versus others that should give us, you know, incremental comfort., that this isn't something that could happen again.

Yeah. So,, you know, our assessment changed for this one partner based on a combination of factors that we monitored continuously across every partner relationship portfolio. Performance collection results, recovery experience, the partners own financial condition for this specific relationship. That combination of signals moved such that, you know, under the current credit protection framework, we concluded we needed to recognize that exposure with actions taken today .. You know, we can't disclose specific partner financial information, but what we can say to you is we reviewed the rest of the CCB book against the same standards. And did not see. A comparable pattern, which tells us this isn't a read through to the consumer credit trends broadly, or the rest of the partners., we do. Monitor this continuously. We're going to continue, as we have always been to be a learning organization. And we are applying the lessons we learned from this matter across all relevant exposures to ensure we remain disciplined. And right now, we don't see this as a read through to the rest of the portfolio.

Okay, thanks. And then was it were these credit card loans or ,, something else?..

The 500 million is term a mix of turn consumer term, consumer debt ,, and I want to be careful that we don't give too many specifics that it could in turn, identify the partner. So I'll just leave it at that.

Okay., thanks for taking the questions. I'll step back.

Thank you. Andrew.

Our next question comes from the line of Joe Yang with Raymond James. Your line is open.

Hey.

Thank you for taking my questions.. I wanted to kind of piggyback off some Andrew's questions. So you emphasized a greater focus on, you know, operating leverage and profitability. Does that change your approach to partner growth and should we expect you to be more selective in adding new partners going forward?

Joe. Well, first off, thanks for being on the call. Good to talk to you and thanks for asking the questions., no. Well, let me answer the question. We are going to focus on profitability, operational efficiency, leveraging this platform that we've built., so I want to make that abundantly clear. With that said, the board is absolutely committed to this growth business. And banking as a service. We think we're at a very unique inflection point in society with digital adoption., more brands getting into delivering financial services. And we, we think we are expertly positioned to continue to do this., so. We see in the business strategy remains strong. This is related to one out of more than 25 partnerships and should not be extrapolated. We, we, we, you know, it bass is an important part of our strategy, but we are focused on disciplined, risk adjusted growth. This event reinforces the importance of continuous monitoring and making sure our parameters are defined in advance, and that we're picking the right partners. But we absolutely believe this partner, this platform still has long term potential and we're going to be. Deliberate in how we onboard and scale partnerships.

But we're excited about this platform going forward.

Okay. That's helpful. And just kind of going back to this problem partner. What's the expected timeline for resolving the situation? Should we think in terms of quarters or, you know, potentially years before this portfolio has worked through?

The the board is reviewing all alternatives and all remediations and the partner is exploring all of their options still,, the, the partner engaged. Us. We're hopeful. But, you know, accounting wise, we can't rely on. Hope. But they, they are,, well established and are exploring opportunities themselves as well as us. And so we, there could be a wide gap between remediation and potential outcomes that could be anywhere from 1 to 2 quarters to 12 to 18 months based upon the continued evolution of the relationship and how everything pans out.

Okay. And has this event changed the appetite of, you know, potential buyers of your paper to purchase,, to purchase these loans? I mean, have you seen any changes in pricing, you know, due diligence or buyer demand since identifying the issue?

I would say we were very successful in the first quarter., working with our partners on loan sales, credit card receivables, sales, and the market continues, in my opinion, to be vibrant. The capital markets., in talking to some outside providers, including last week, said that the markets are still open, we're, we will continue to look at all strategies, including the sales network. But, but right now., we believe that the secondary markets are performing. We have seen some tightening on pricing for risk based premiums across the board ., but nothing that's deterring the, the framework and the markets from working.

Okay. Perfect. And then. Last one from me here, you noted the, you shortened the useful life of certain capitalized software assets, you know, resulting in the accelerated amortization., what new capabilities are replacing these legacy systems? And I mean, are we expect to see any tangible benefits, you know, either through improved partner onboarding, operating efficiencies, scalability, or, you know, anything in that. Realm.

Yeah. Albeit it's difficult and we're taking it very serious. Whenever you announce an accelerating of the amortization of technology,, but. The hidden message is there that we now have newer, better technologies that are supplanting the old technologies,, on average. And the useful life of the older technologies is,, you know, it's being supplanted. And so this is one exactly that it's, it's, it's a mixed message. It's unfortunate that it comes through the earnings statement as presented, in my opinion. But but it's exciting at the same time. And, and I think as we talk about operating efficiencies and leveraging, going forward, we're really excited about what the teams have built and our technology group that's going to start to give us those efficiencies., across. Multiple fronts ., broadly in, in compliance and oversight and risk management, but also in partner,, data. Management, etc..

All right. Perfect. I appreciate you taking my questions.

Thanks, Joe.

Next question comes from the line of Janet Lee with TD coven. Your line is open.

Good morning.

Good morning Janet.

You reviewed the remaining CSV portfolio and did not identify a comparable issue as of quarter end. Could you talk about when you found out the issue ,, about this troubled partner and did you. Review the rest of the portfolio? After that? Or how frequently do you do those kind of reviews?

Yeah. So what I want to make absolutely clear is our assessment process did not change during the quarter. The results that came out of the continuous monitoring and assessment is what changed during the quarter. And. As. Discussed previously, that's market conditions as. It's the. Partner. Financial. Conditions. As reported. Real time. It is the underlying credit metrics of the portfolios that are on our balance sheet. Which includes delinquency charge offs, recoveries., yields, all of that is taken into account when management ascertains the accounting treatment of the reserve ,, recommendation that we sent to the board, the board then, as you mentioned, independently reviewed our assessment. All of those factors that are broad based going into it and determined that they supported our recommendation on this one partner, as Chris mentioned, we did also do a very thorough. Secondary look at all other programs that the board's request and determined that none of the other programs were exhibiting similar situations to this partner. And we felt comfortable that this was isolated.

Okay. Got it. So. Your provision quarterly. Provision typically wasn't that 50 million range in recent quarters. Are you are you saying it can go back to that level or should we expect a little bit higher step up in provision as you're doing more enhanced reviews going forward? Like how should we? Read? That as we go into the second half of 26 and seven.

Yeah. So, so. First and foremost, as loans continue to grow, I would anticipate that provisioning expense would go up and. Then the counterparty benefit for the remaining programs would go up alongside that for. This individual program we are going to. Continuously be monitoring the 500 million worth of loans that. Under, you know, is the underpinning of our Cecil .. Perspective on this provisioning. So I really want to bifurcate the two and call out that this portfolio and this partner will receive continuous monitoring and our provisioning expense will be real time. As you would expect for us to do. And the remaining programs that have counterparty benefit that right is a part of our provisioning expense going forward. We'll continue, as we've done in the past.

Okay. Got it. Your deposit growth in the quarter was impacted by by the off balance sheet sweep arrangement., is that something that's going to,, like what is the strategy around that? And what kind of deposit growth should we expect on balance sheet deposit growth? Should we expect,. Into the rest of 26.

Great question. So as we remind you about first quarter. I believe we grew close to 980 million of deposits on the balance sheet. And we wrote a comment in, in the release that basically said, hey, we grew faster than what we wanted as we were setting up some sweep networks for some specific partners that did not occur in first quarter, it was delayed to second quarter. So we told everybody in first quarter that we expected that the sweep networks would kick in, which they have done in the second quarter, which would lower the balance sheet growth by approximately 500 million as compared to first quarter. So I think what I'd ask you to do is, Olga, make a couple data points that would say, yes, the net growth first quarter to second quarter was down. But the off balance sheet deposits were up significantly. 2 billion plus. And manage those three topics together as a general business statement, we are very excited about our partners performance ., we're we're humbled. To be a part of their business. And, the results speak for themselves over the trends that we've given you. And, and we. We're going to continue to support our partners going forward.

Okay.

That's it.

Thank you.

Thank you. Janet.

Next question comes from the line of Tim Swisher with KBW. Your line is open.

Hey, good morning Eric., thanks for taking my questions. I'm going to I'm going to go back a little bit to the credit enhancement here. Can you help us understand? Is this company still operating? And if so, why? Why can they not fulfill, fulfill their credit enhancement obligation. And do you have a claim on the partner's assets or cash flows beyond just the loans on your balance sheet?

Yeah. Tim, thank you for joining today and just for the call overview and decorum, Tim will be the last set of questions that we're able to answer., time wise today., so. Multiple parts to your question. So the partner remains contractually responsible for losses covered by the indemnification and ,, the recording of this valuation does not change or waive any of the responsibilities further, the borrower has not defaulted with us. The reserve reflects our updated assessment of the risk and expected collectability based on the currently available information that we got. And I can't stress that enough. It's real time. June 30th. Information. The partner is still in business. As I alluded to earlier .. So we, we, we, we want to. Continue to monitor the exposure closely and take action as the situation continues to unfold. But yeah, this is a dynamic unfolding. And as I mentioned earlier,, with as an example, with any given Cecil expectation, you may have, you have to monitor it continuously. And,, we are very hopeful that the resolution will be positive over time to us.

Okay. That's really helpful. And then in your press release, it mentions that many TCB partners pledge a cash reserve to the bank. Why is that? Many, not all. Are there some that do not have a cash reserve? And then for this program specifically, was there a cash reserve here? Or was it a full cash reserve or some GAAP between. You know, expected losses or what was required in the partnership agreement?

So yes,, the many title is, I believe, a catch all comment,, to be specific, we do have programs that are not required to have cash pledge reserves. Some of those are going to be obvious when I state it. We have some programs that are purely cash secured lending at the consumer level. So instead of being corporately requiring a cash collateral account, it's at the consumer level. They're cash secured loans or cash secured credit cards. Thus, at the corporate level, we don't require there are some other programs that we have deemed the risk of the lending activities does not require us or require the partner to maintain a cash collateral account. That is different than they still indemnify us for any losses. For fraud or net credit losses. So the two pieces are broken up. The specific reserve for this partner is geared towards the. Gap. Your words, Tim, in the cash collateral account and the. Expectations under the indemnification agreement. Looking at all the specific facts. Those. Answer your questions.

Okay. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. And last one for me on this topic., I don't, I don't think this has been asked yet, but is what is the expected revenue benefit from TCB now collecting all the interest income on these associated loans? And, you know, is this enough to potentially overcome the associated losses you expect in the future?

I. I want to be very careful, Cecil. And any type of estimates or assumptions that we're using are simply that ,. We are evaluating the financial positives, negatives, assessments, trends, partner indemnification. And it's a very complicated go forward assessment., so I'm really not able to answer your question right now, Tim. But, but I think over time that would be a good topic to revisit.

Okay. Fair enough., if I can move topics real quick, the bass nim net of loan expense. You know, it moved up pretty nicely this quarter. We also know over the last year, it's kind of been impacted by the partner agreements., changes and the pricing there. Do you think we're kind of through that repricing impact right now? And was any of the upside this quarter driven by that additional yield? You recognize on, this portfolio we've been discussing?

So two questions in there, I believe. So the first question is,, yeah, my opening comments geared towards stable to improving bass net interest margin. I'd remind everybody that that is driven by product mix. Some products we get better margin than other products., some of our lower yielding products include the aforementioned cash secured individual consumer level, cash secured loans have a lower yield than other products. So but but but it was nice .. To be able to show the market the stability of the Nim, which I do believe alludes to your second question of Pricings that would adversely affect the portfolio in second quarters. Nim and we continue to manage the overall portfolio concentrations to manage Nim. And then what I would say is there was no. Nim benefit based on these reserves that we've taken today. In Q2. Tim.

Okay. All right. Understood. And the last question for me. Are you able to help us understand like, how much of the. Space right now is related to due diligence of evolve? And, you know, the other programs not currently generating revenue., I am not able to provide that to you today. I can confirm that we did have expense in quarter two revolving ,, concerning. The Evolv. Opportunity. I don't have those for this call. I apologize., and of course, we're going to look at all partner level product and programs and expense that is associated with any programs that or products that we may be exiting. And if we can give you further clarity on those going forward, we will do so. But with that said, I appreciate,, our in your involvement in this, Tim, Janet, Joe, Andrew, and your questions. But at this time, we are going to be ending this conference call and we will be migrating separately to the analyst ,, individual calls. And we want to thank everybody for joining, especially my West Coast friends and family that got up super early today., and everybody have a wonderful day This concludes my presentation.

Ladies and. Gentlemen, that concludes today's call. Thank you all for joining. You may now disconnect.